icy-vein recommend felmouth for single target bosses, with mechanics that force you to move out of range from boss because RRPM will help to cover up the dps loss from moving, but after 2 weeks of testing, this is what i've observed.
How much does Sleeper Sushi give us?
firstly, we calculate how much does an additional 125 mastery help us. to be precise, it is more than 125, because retribution paladin has Righteous Vengeance, which give us 125 x 1.05 = 131.25 mastery.
131.25 mastery is around 2.53% mastery at level 100
let's say for a mythic geared paladin, you have 80% mastery after raid buff, then eating sleeper sushi will boost it to 82.53% mastery
82.53 ÷ 80 = 1.031625, which is an additional 3.1625% increase damage to our hands of light.
for example,
this is 1 of my Socrethar Log where i am using felmouth food buff.
fel lash total damage is only 204.1k
sleeper sushi could have given me 238k damage. because hand of light damage would be 3.1625% stronger, which is 0.031625 x 7.55m = 238k damage.
socrethar is mostly single-target, so i am surprised sleeper sushi could have given me more dps than felmouth here.
Felmouth is best for which fight? Single-Target?
icy vein recommend the best boss to use felmouth is fel lord zakuun, because it is pure single-target and it has mechanics that force you to move out of range of the boss.
i happen to have a perfect example where i've to enter the soul phase, as well as running out for seed!
let's take a look at this particular Fel Lord Zakuun Log
my fel lash give me 142k damage
sleeper sushi could have given me 0.031625 x 5.88m = 186k damage
isn't this already the perfect example as explained in icy vein, but why does sleeper sushi still give me more in this case?
i'll explain later on
Felmouth is best for which fight? AOE Situation?
ok let's take a look at some AOE situation, for example, this particular Mannoroth Log where my divine storm dps is at the top, which should be pretty bad for felmouth?
fel lash give me a whooping 435k damage !!
sleeper sushi could have given me 0.031625 x 10.95m = 346k damage
let's take a look at another AOE heavy fight, such as Xhul'horac
i have a Xhul'horac Log here
my fel lash give me 228.4k damage
sleeper sushi could have given me 0.031625 x 7.27m = 229k damage
this happen to be a draw!
What are the main factors?
as we can see, felmouth can perform badly on single-target such as Fel Lord and Scorethar. on the other hand, it can also perform well at AOE situation such as Xhul'horac and Mannoroth. so what is happening?
the answer will surprise you,
single-target or AOE is such an insignificant factor that you can basically ignore it.
because the main factor is due to our trinkets and our spec!
and some particular boss fights which i'll explain later.
1) Felmouth is not affected by secondary stats!
from all the logs, i have never seen fel lash crit or multistrike. it is also not affected by mastery and the proc rate does not increase due to higher haste either.
this means that felmouth will under-perform if i am using Seraphim. and likewise if i am using trinket such as Vial of Convulsive Shadows too.
felmouth does not benefit from these secondary stats but sleeper sushi does!
2) Felmouth is not affected by damage multiplier effects!
during my test, i realize that having 3 stacks of LOV does not increase the damage of my fel lash. this is the main reason why felmouth under-perform in single-target situation like fel lord zakuun / scorethar!
felmouth will also be useless on bosses which provide us some damage multiplier. for example, in tyrant velhari, we have a stacking damage buff in phase 3. unfortunately, the fel lash damage remains the same.
this is my Tyrant Velhari Log, zoomed into the phase 3
my fel lash give me 91.1k damage during tyrant phase 3
sleeper sushi could have given me 0.031625 x 7.77m = 246k damage during phase 3
as you can see, multiplier effect is very bad for felmouth frenzy
there are many more bosses in HFC such as:
Fel Rage - hellfire council, gurtogg fel rage
Feast of Souls - gorefiend soul feast
Undying Resolve - 20 stacks in kilrogg vision room
Aura of Malice - tyrant velhari phase 3, stacking buff every 5 seconds
and our class trinket is also one such example:
Libram of Vindication - my mythic LOV will be 6.37% x 3
3) Felmouth is only affected by Strength!
the shadow damage of the Fel Lash is purely based on our main stat, which is strength. it is not based on item-level because when i was equipping my standard HFC gears, with EDH and DC, fel lash damage average around 3.3k.
then i swap my DC into LOV, hoping that it would also apply the damage multiplier from the 3 stacks LOV, but unfortunately no, the fel lash average drop to 3k damage instead, which is even lower despite having a higher item-level, mainly because i lost 576 strength by swapping the DC into LOV.
because felmouth frenzy only make use of our main stat, it does not scale up as fast as our gears.
i remember when we are still at level 700, fel lash damage can be as high as 3% of our total damage at that time. but as we go higher item-level, at 730, it drop to around 1%, and now the valor upgrade is going to drive us above 740, making felmouth frenzy even weaker.
Any boss worth using felmouth?
an easy way to determine is by looking at your hand of light damage. i have observed in most of my logs, hand of light damage is usually very close to 30% of my total damage, irregardless single-target or AOE, it seems to be around 30% anyways. sleeper sushi offer a 3% increase of a 30%, which is very close to a 1% increase overall. if your fel lash can do around 1% of your total damage, it should be worth using.
just to summarized, damage multiplier effects, Seraphim and Libram of Vindication will bring down the value of felmouth. retribution paladin often use seraphim and LOV for single-target bosses such as iron reaver, council, kilrogg, gorefiend, scorethar and tyrant, and felmouth is going to perform badly on all of them.
it may be worth using on bosses when you are using final-verdict, and with trinkets like UH or DC, on bosses such as hellfire assault, iskar, xhul'horac, mannoroth and archimonde. but once you are on farm mode, being able to focus on dps padding instead of target-switching, you will start using LOV on xhul, manny and archi as well, making felmouth weak.
felmouth is strong when you at a lower item-level. but as you go towards the end game, the more geared you are, the more useless felmouth will become. so im a bit regret to consider felmouth so late into the game now, because i could have benefit from it when im still progressing HFC at a lower item-level.
Nice analysis, so I guess icy vein's advice only applies to below mythic raiding, using felmouth for single target/xhul/manno and sushi for the rest.
ReplyDeletehi yes, i believe felmouth is worth using for normal/heroic when we are still at a lower iLvl, which means it is good for our alts!
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